In this second episode of a special two-part series, Landscape Group Vice President Drew Garcia, is joined by Josh Ferguson, attorney with Freeman Mathis & Gary, to discuss contract strategies and risk mitigation for slip and fall incidents.

Drew Garcia: Welcome back everybody. I'm Drew Garcia, Vice President and Landscape Group Leader here at Rancho Mesa. Today we have a great opportunity to connect with Josh Ferguson from Freeman, Mathis and Gary. Josh and I had a chance to get to know each other over the last couple of years through different trade associations. Josh has a big focus on the landscape and snow contracting community. Josh, welcome to the show.

Josh Ferguson: Yeah, thanks for having I appreciate it.

DG: All right, Josh. So we're going to jump into some things that are kind of current and news and noteworthy right now for primarily landscape operators. So primary, you know, customer is going to be community associations, commercial properties that could be hotels, could be shopping centers, municipalities doing city work. I know each customer might have different needs in terms of how those contracts might need to be set up. But some things that we're seeing on the slip and fall, trip and fall side, want to talk a little bit about if you're seeing that same kind of activity and what are some things that the contractors could be doing to help, not only just prevent them from happening, but if something comes in, what's that supporting documentation that might help your insurance carrier or you when you're going through an incident like that?

And then also talking about this commercial auto market, you know, a lot of the insurance carriers, this has been an issue for a really long time and they're trying to raise rates fast enough to be able to cover the losses that are in the past and they're looking out into the future and it's causing some significant increases and in some cases some non-renewals or some change in appetite and that can really hit landscape hard because these businesses are built with a lot of vehicles in mind and they got service areas that they've got to get to. So I want to talk a little bit about the commercial auto side and some things that maybe the landscape business should be considering. There's certainly technology out there that might be able to support them in some of those efforts, but let's jump first into the slip, trip, and fall type of scenarios that can happen on properties and maybe talk a little bit about trying to defer or shed some of that liability through the contract and you know calling out scope and everything like that that might help build a better case for the landscape company in the event something like that occurs.

JF: Sure, and what you said to start with I think is right on we are also seeing an uptick in volume of claims relative to trip or slip and falls involving landscape contractors getting brought or dragged into those lawsuits. And part of the reason we think they're getting dragged in based on the claims we're seeing and the conversations I'm having is from really broad contract language that is things like monitor and inspecting provisions or maybe unclear terms as to what the landscape or hardscape services are actually to be. The broader or more ambiguous those terms are, the more a property owner or property manager when they get sued can have their attorney go through the rolodex of vendors they have on site, look through every vendor that has a really broad contract and bring in those contractors. So, in the same trip and fall on gravel, they may end up bringing one hardscape company, one landscape company, whoever dug up the piping or drainage on the property to get everybody involved, to make sure that they have the best chance of being protected. So, how we would combat that is again, make sure that the scope of services are really well defined to what you're actually going to do at the site, when you're going to do it, the timeframe you're going to do it, and then have some liability limiting language saying once you're done it, you have no duty to monitor inspector after and they deem that it's satisfactory work, again, to help protect you there.

DG: And if you're the landscape contractor and you already have maybe contracts in play and it's not a practice for you to revisit, you're listening to this now saying, “Shoot, I've already renewed a lot of my business or I'm working for people that I haven't looked at the contract in a couple of years, we just kind to continue to renew it.” What would be the cadence again on looking at those contracts and making sure they're up to speed and how would you go about getting that done so you feel confident that you're in a position where you're there to support the issue if the issue is a result of your work and you're not picking up more than you are anticipating?

JF: Sure. I think there's a two-part answer to that question. I think first and foremost, even if you've signed an agreement and you're in the middle of that period of time in which the agreement's valid, but you think something just isn't accurate or correct or it was when you signed it but they're not letting you do that, there is no reason you can't go to your client and say “This is actually not within our scope or you're no longer allowing us to do this, we should sign an addendum to this agreement confirming the actual obligations of the party.”

As an attorney, again, I want a 10 out of 10, and a 10 out of 10 would be those terms define what you're not supposed to be responsible for and everyone signs it. But even if it's just something where they acknowledge it by email, if then a claim arises relative to that issue, we've got something. We want—and by the global “we”, I mean you as a contractor, me as an attorney and your insurance company—we as a group want anything we can do to help protect you. And some things are better than others, but something is better than nothing. So first and foremost, I want to say that if you're listening to this and then know you signed a contract that's unfair, inaccurate, it doesn't mean you can't have those conversations. We can't guarantee the results, but I think it's worth that conversation.

And then if you did sign it and then you feel like there's nothing you can do about it, I would strongly suggest you revisit contract language on a yearly basis. Whether that's your base contract, you have folks sign or when you re-up with clients that you should look at on a routine basis. As an attorney who's done it for 20 years—and I review hundreds of contracts, especially in the late summer, early fall for snow and ice and then for maybe late winter, very early spring for landscapers—things come up that we had never talked about before. Things change in the industry or you as a contractor may change the type of services you perform. You may be a residential person and you're moving over to HOA or commercial, whatever it is. And then as a result, the language in your base agreement may need to be different. So I would strongly recommend doing it on a yearly basis.

DG: I'm nodding my head the whole time. I know this is just audio, but I'm just thinking of the past conversations with so many businesses and those are the things that come up. You know, everybody's an entrepreneur at heart when you own a business and that could create change No matter if that's with your customer base or a new service that you're offering and making sure that you're just covering your checks and balances in terms of how you're setting this up is important because at the end of the day you just want to make sure that you're supporting the business in the event there's an issue that, you know, comes against you and providing people like you the right information you need to defend.

And I would say the other key issue right now within the landscaping industry, primarily on the maintenance side; so when we've got fleet-driven businesses, commercial auto is at an all-time high in terms of so much scrutiny by the insurance carriers. And for a good reason, they've put out plenty of supporting information to show that they cannot collect enough premium to cover what seems to be the amount of claim cost that comes in. And in my experience with this, when I'm going through a renewal or if I'm talking to a landscape contractor about their business, and then ultimately get to that underwriting conversation. There's a lot of hesitancy right now with this class of business because of the amount of vehicles that they have. And they're really taking a deep dive into driver training, the ability to use things like GPS and dash cams, just as a way for driver behavior and training to that information. So it'll kind of open up that next category where I think originally maybe GPS was being used for routing purposes and then idling and fuel cost, but if you're seeing somebody kind of consistently speed or harsh breaking, harsh turning and you're not coaching to that information, am I right where you could be opening yourself up to some more opportunity where you had the information available and maybe you should have made some corrective action?

JF: Yeah, so there's multiple layers to what we're seeing and they all end kind of with the same end result, unfortunately. So there's certainly social inflation across the board for all personal injury claims The numbers are up across the board whether it's an auto claim, a slip-and-fall claim, a construction defect; whatever it is the numbers are just higher for settlement and for verdict, we track verdict analysis pretty consistently, and the numbers are up whether it's in South Dakota, California or Pennsylvania. So there's that aspect and that as a result then drives up the cost that the carriers are paying on those settlements and verdicts.

And then I think you're right, the plaintiffs' attorneys have figured out a way in this orbit of the landscape world to, if it's an auto claim, focus on the fact that if there's an inadequate training on these things, they can try to put the jury in the same person, in the same stance as the person that was injured, and try to get the jury to then punish these companies. And that's certainly the kind of claims that insurance carriers are worried about, which then cause earlier settlements and impact premiums or their even willingness to write the auto side.

The landscape industry, I think, certainly does a great job on across the board training for their employees because they're worried about workers comp and their employees’ safety. And they're thinking about slip and falls and tripping falls, but at the end of the day, as you mentioned already, all of these folks are in fairly heavy pieces of equipment and sometimes we kind of gets caught by the wayside that these are the things that could really cause the catastrophic losses and that bears out then in huge numbers and so the carriers are worried about it. So they want to see some internal training they want to see what kind of background information you're doing and training for these drivers because they want to make sure that even if they're going to have to pay out for a loss for your driver negligent running into somebody they at least want to be able to show that it was a one-off, it was truly negligence, and it was an accident, and that there wasn't any kind of history that should show that this was bound to happen.

DG: It makes a ton of sense, you know, when you back it in that way. And I think as most business owners, nobody's set out to go about business without any strategy or without any training. And I think that with the amount of technology that's now available, it's easier for them to gather information whether it's leading or lagging information to kind of appropriately assign and create trainings to make sure that they're putting their drivers in the best position to be successful and not to be in these accidents. And at the end of the day maybe having more evidence to provide to you and the insurance carrier to ultimately defend if there is an issue. Talk to us a little bit about—I'm going to flip right back to the contract side on slip and fall documentation—when it comes to doing that type of work or doing when you're primarily engaged in landscape maintenance for these commercial properties. What are some things that the landscape company can do to show that the proof of work or the scope of work was complete? And do you have any examples that you've seen in the past where people are using this so that it does help just with the proof of work being completed?

JF: Yeas, so, on the landscape side, sometimes we don't always get the records exactly when things were serviced, especially if it's a contract that says, you know, say twice a month mowing or weed whacking or fertilizer placement or whatever, gravel, whatever it is. There aren't always great documents to show when it was actually done. And then as a result of it, we have to go back through timesheets, sometimes years later when a claim arises. So, you know, we're really looking for increased documentation and I think technology does make it a lot easier, it takes away some of the friction for this to really show when where and how exactly the work was performed so that we can show that it was done as we see.

Again, one of the claims that does tend to come up a lot is when somebody trips and falls in a hole and the landscaper gets dragged in because they say it was covered up because it wasn't properly then mowed and our contract says twice a month and then we're having to dig through time sheets but if we actually know exactly who was out there when they were out there; if you have any records with communications with your client, if you're not going to be out there for a certain time because say it hadn't rained in a while or it's extra dry weather that August or September, help things explain itself a little better. Again, it puts you in a better position. Otherwise, we're at the mercy of again, relying on credibility and the insurance companies, especially in these days of social inflation with bigger settlement and verdicts, they don't want to rely on that. They'd rather settle out on the case and protect themselves from those high exposures.

DG: I appreciate it, Josh. I want to thank you again for coming in and helping us out and talking a little bit about snow, talking a little bit about landscaping. I think this is the beginning to just getting more information out to the industry. The goal here is just to educate people and raise the level of professionalism, raise the level of oversight and expertise when it comes to executing on the work that's being done in this industry. So I appreciate you taking that stance and kind of leading the way with the history of your involvement with both snow and with landscape. If somebody wanted to reach out to you or connect with you, it would be a good way for someone to do that?

JF: Yeah. You can find me on our firm's website, Freeman, Mathis and Gary; Joshua Ferguson, and I'd be happy to reach out and respond and I very much appreciate the time today.

DG: Josh, thanks again. Appreciate it.

JF: Thanks.