Author, Andy Roberts, Surety Account Executive, Rancho Mesa Insurance Services, Inc.

Surety Account Executive Andy Roberts interviewed Miggs Borromeo, Commercial Surety Underwriter for Merchants Bonding, and discussed the current climate of the commercial surety world in Southern California. They also covered the bonding trends most commonly seen today, and the programs that Merchants Bonding Company offers.

Andy Roberts: Welcome back, everybody to StudioOne™. My name is Andy Roberts and I’m a Surety Account Executive here at Rancho Mesa. Today, my guest is Miggs Borromeo who is a commercial surety underwriter in San Diego and working for Merchants Bonding Company.  Today, we’re going to be talking about the commercial surety world.

Miggs, welcome to the show.

Miggs Borromeo: Thanks for having me, Andy. I’m excited to be part of the show.

AR: Awesome, so before we dive in, why don’t you give us a little bit of background about yourself.

MB: For sure. Hello everyone, my name is Miggs Borromeo. I’m the Commercial Surety Underwriter for Merchants Bonding, the eighth largest surety company on SFAA. I currently handle the Southern California territory, starting from Los Angeles all the way down to America’s Finest City, San Diego. I’ve been in the industry for about a year and a couple months, so there’s a lot to learn and many more years to go, as they say. I’m originally from Maryland but moved to California a couple years ago.

AR: Fantastic. So, how did you get involved in the industry?

MB: It’s always a funny story, because it all started with my friend’s dad being the head of surety at the company I interned for back in college. One day in the summertime he gathered all the interns to talk about surety bonds. And funny enough his name is Mike Bonds, so shout-out Mr. Mike for all the introductions. But, he talked about the surety industry and what it entailed. He talked about working with contractors, analyzing financial statements, and visiting and traveling with agents. And so, I thought that was a really cool industry, especially being a college student. The only profession I really knew was financial analyst, accounting, and investment banking. So, I started doing some research and once I graduated college I applied to become a surety underwriter in L.A. But, unfortunately, COVID happened that year, so, you know, a bunch of companies were having hiring freezes, so I had to put a pause in that dream for a little. But, fast-forward to a couple years later and I moved to San Diego, and thankfully, I had a friend named Andrew Shin who is their current contract underwriter referred me to the company he was working at that provided business loans. I started as an underwriter and switched around to sales, and one day I just wanted to update my resume, so, as you know, you search on Google “surety underwriting positions”.

AR: They’re looking for them all over the place.

 MB: Yeah, exactly. So, I was lucky enough that Merchants popped up as the first link, so I clicked on it and read all about them. You know, they’ve been around for 90 years, focused on one product which was surety, so I really liked that. And then I saw that a bunch of their underwriters would travel every year for meetings and trainings and, so, I thought that was a great part of the culture, and I wanted to be a part of that. So, I applied, flew to good old Iowa, and luckily passed the test.

AR: So, basically like a dream come true, kind of circling back to what you said about your surety dream, earlier in that statement.

MB: Yeah, exactly. And, sometimes, you know, it takes a while to get to it, but I’m glad that I was able to kind of experience different roles to build up my skillsets to become a surety underwriter.

AR: Absolutely. And I feel like too, you know, I came from the insurance world where, you know, not a lot translates, but I had a good understanding of the insurance world. And that’s what really fed me into this job, and this role, and this opportunity that I’ve really grown to love. And, you know, it’s been a lot of fun that way.

So, kind of diving into your actual role as a commercial surety underwriter. You know, I know commercial surety has a vast range of bonds that kind of fall under that umbrella. You know, looking at your license bonds for contractors, or subdivision, or maintenance landscape. Can you talk to us about your experience with the variety, with all of those?

MB: Yeah, for sure. As you mentioned there’s definitely a wide variety of bonds. I look at our bond form library and there’s 3,000 bonds and, you know, it’s a lot. And there’s always new ones coming in, so I always handle different types of bonds, I never know which kind I’m going to get. But, luckily enough, Merchants has a great library that I mentioned about, where a bunch of underwriters from the past and current underwriters right now are just researching the bond types that they see, you know, summarizing guarantees, what the risk entails and, kind of, what information we need. And, it’s not only helpful for me but it’s also helpful for the agents that are seeing a bunch of different bonds that they’re not used to. We’ve gotten feedback that the library is very helpful, it helps them understand the bond. And, like you mentioned, I handle a different, wide variety from license permit to financial guarantee, so it’s just all about trying to understand what the bond is guaranteeing and what we need. Do we need credit reports; do we need financial statements; personal business indemnity? And, sometimes I see bonds that no one has seen before, so I have to, kind of, put a little more research into it; seeing the county, seeing what it entails and to see if we can support it. So, it’s been a learning experience.

AR: Yeah, well I feel too, like especially on your guys’ portal, you know, I get a request from a client for some random license bond that I’ve never heard of or seen, you can go in there and kind of figure out, “Well, Merchants is willing to write it in their portal.” So, you give a nice breakdown of everything that it is and what you guys need. So, that’s really, really helpful.

How long do you think, since you’ve been here for a little over a year, how long did it take for you to, kind of, get up to speed in this and really feel confident in engaging with agents and clients, and really knowing what was going on?

MB: I’d say it took me about nine months to year. There was definitely a lot of learning process, especially the first couple months when you have to learn about the system and really learn about the industry.

But, I think I was very fortunate enough to have a great team around me, starting from management position who’s had 15 plus years of experience, to my current teammates who have a wide variety of perspectives from the agency side and different markets, and to even our assistants who are always helping us out with our day-to-day activities. So, the first couple months was really understanding what the systems were all about. And then six to nine months we had a training program where they would sit us down and talk to us about how to properly plan the agency meetings, how to conduct them, specific questions that the agents might ask.

And so, it’s definitely a great experience to have that around me, but it’s also cool that there’s always new questions coming up, and so there’s always something to lean. And, we’re always improving, trying to improve, our technology and so, we’re always trying to focus on marketing those new things we come up with.

AR: Fantastic. How often do you have to go out to Iowa?

MB: I try to go about twice a year. One’s mandatory for the underwriting meetings, but, sometimes I like to stop by and say hello to everyone.

AR: Hopefully not in the wintertime.

MB: Yeah, no. Can’t get me out there in the wintertime, besides this time for November’s underwriting meetings.

AR: So, kind of circling back to the different bond types. So, are you seeing a lot of submissions on a certain type right now?

MB: Yeah, so, I’ve been seeing a lot of Motor Vehicle Dealer Bonds coming up, and I’ve also seen Immigration Consulting. But, it’s starting to really pick up with our Court and Probate bonds. I’ve been starting to see a lot of Non-Construction Performance Bonds, Landscaping Projects. The variety is starting to pick-up as the more visits I come in and really just tell what Merchants’ appetite is, I’m starting to see different types of submissions. And I think that’s the main idea of it, is that we haven’t had presence in Southern California, but now I’m around and I’m visiting agents, I’m letting them know that, “Hey give us a chance to review these files,” and that’s where the variety comes in.

AR: Yeah, no, absolutely. Kind of looking at the marketplace, and maybe this might be a tough question just because you guys have such a wide variety of bonds that you guys write on the commercial side, but what are some of the main challenges that you’re kind of seeing, and have you maybe seen any uptick in claims?

I know, because, especially, kind of, thinking of the license bonds for the contractors, you guys have really kind of stepped in and filled the void for a different surety that, kind of, left the marketplace. So, there’s probably been a lot more volume there.

MB: Yeah, there’s definitely a lot of claims activity that I’ve seen with the Motor Vehicle Dealer Bonds. Principles are going out of business so claims are rising. I’ve also seen challenges in the notary side. The Notary Bonds are tied in with the mortgage interest rates, and so, you know, not a lot of people are buying houses right now so there’s not a lot of need for notary.

And I’ve also seen that, just by, like, challenges, you know, I see a lot of agents talking about, they’ve been seeing a lot of smaller transactional bonds that’s been taking up their time. And so, as I mentioned earlier, Merchants is always trying to improve their technology, so we’ve recently rolled out Hub Express, where it allows agents to issue small transactional bonds with little touch. We recently updated our systems to allow California Contractor State License Bonds, so that allows agents to issue those pretty fast. And, it’s tax season so, tax repair bonds too are a big deal, it helps them out on that.

AR: Yeah, that’s fantastic. Is there anything else you want to talk about on the commercial side, or any questions you might have for me?

MB: Yeah, for sure. Before we end the show, would you happen to have any advice on any new underwriters or agents that’s entering the industry right now?

AR: What I think helped me a lot when I first got in, I’ve been doing this for six and a half years now, was I started participating in the Surety Association right away, because, industry wise, that really helps you to get to know everyone in town; all the different agents, all the different underwriters. Which, I mean, you’re already doing that so, that’s a good step. So, maybe your next step is to try and get on the board next time there’s a company position for there. I think that’s been really, really beneficial for me as well. So, I would recommend doing that.

Other than that, I would just say you’re doing the right thing in, like, getting involved in the industry and getting out in front of people. Surety is such, more relationship driven than the insurance side. So, as you’re going to start growing your book, both the underwriter side and the agent side, you just have to be out there in front of people, and building your relationships and just knowing that this is more of a longer play and not a short-term play.

MB: Yeah, I agree. Great advice. I know you mentioned joining the board, I guess until a position opens up I’ll still be the photographer for the events.

AR: Yeah, absolutely. Well, Miggs, thank you so very much for joining me in StudioOne™ today and giving us some background on yourself and some info on the commercial surety industry.

MB: Yeah, thanks so much for having me Andy, this was fun. It’s always a pleasure to see you and I’m excited for all the future events that I run into you at.

AR: Absolutely.